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Bush pushes bill to try terror detainees

By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 27 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - President Bush pressed Congress on Saturday to approve his plan for prosecuting suspected terrorists, a proposal lawmakers could debate as early as next week.

"As soon as Congress acts to authorize these military commissions, we will prosecute these men and send a clear message to those who kill Americans: No matter how long it takes, we will find you and bring you to justice," Bush said in his weekly radio address. "As we bring terrorists to justice, we're acting to secure the homeland."
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Bush wants Congress to support new legislation the White House drafted for prosecuting suspected terrorists for war crimes. A new plan was needed after the Supreme Court ruled in June that an earlier plan violated U.S. and international law.

Senate leaders back the plan. But some Republicans support alternative legislation, and several of the military's top lawyers worry that Bush's plan could violate treaty obligations and make U.S. troops vulnerable.
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The president's new plan for trying detainees would authorize the defense secretary to convene military tribunals to prosecute terrorism suspects and omit rights common in military and civil courts, such as the defendant's right to access all evidence and a ban on coerced testimony.

Bush has said the plan is both fair and tough enough to ensure dangerous terrorists can be brought to justice. However, some GOP moderates on defense issues, including Sens. John Warner, R-Va., John McCain, R-Ariz., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., have agreed with Pentagon lawyers that Bush's plan may go too far.

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suswah
Gasoline is $2.38 today in the Dallas, Texas area. And now, Bush wants to try the terrorists ~ are these the same ones that have been deposited in Guantanamo Bay?? ~ and he's pushing it on Saturday????

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The radio address marked the fourth time this week that Bush has delivered a message about the war on terror. The series of speeches gave Bush an opportunity to buttress the GOP's national security credentials just two months before the critical congressional elections on Nov. 7.


Falling gas prices, bringing terrorists to trial and blaming Clinton for 9/11. I just wonder what chapter of the playbook we're in right now? wacko.gif
William477
I believe the chapter is titled "Desperation."

I heard a quote from someone earlier about all of Bush's speeches. "They're like episodes of Seinfield. They're on every night and we know every line."
suswah
QUOTE(William477 @ Sep 9 2006, 11:05 PM) [snapback]92492[/snapback]

I believe the chapter is titled "Desperation."

I heard a quote from someone earlier about all of Bush's speeches. "They're like episodes of Seinfield. They're on every night and we know every line."


So true. Thanks for that one, William. laugh.gif
andrew6565
It should raise suspicion to everyone, not just myself...as to why he wants to try them in a military tribunal system rather than the regular court system....it appears that he is continuing the same path to protect evidence of fraud and to make sure that they never have any rights what so ever. they are dead set on hiding their deciet and are using every option available to them to hide from the public eye..the truth. why has it been so long that these detainees have been locked away?...secretly for years now?....without any type of representation?? why? I'll tell you why...they know too much. and they surely arent a threat to any of us...but they are indeed a threat to them. The military is so much under the Bush control thumb now, CIA department and all the other secret agenda plans would be highly threatened if these people were realeased, or subjected to a open court system which would expose the real criminals and bring down a corrupt government. they are scrambling now in desperation, because they know the real concern is that the Senate and congress could become under Democratic control and the rules and unlawful laws could be reversed..NOT in their favor.....if any american need be concerned about the future of this Democracy at this point in our history....they should be eager and steadfast on changing the voting system in this country before any further elections can proceed....mainly...because they will manipulate it again.....they will do whatever it takes to protect their lies....even if that means stealing more elections for a favorable outcome.....despite the polls, despite all evidence of a loss. they can do it and they will. we are past any shock and disbelief when it comes to how bold they be and how low they will stoop. one more stolen election will ruin this democracy forever....there will be no justice and we will be out of time and out of hope.
suswah
QUOTE(andrew6565 @ Sep 10 2006, 11:12 AM) [snapback]92495[/snapback]

It should raise suspicion to everyone, not just myself...as to why he wants to try them in a military tribunal system rather than the regular court system....it appears that he is continuing the same path to protect evidence of fraud and to make sure that they never have any rights what so ever. they are dead set on hiding their deciet and are using every option available to them to hide from the public eye..the truth. why has it been so long that these detainees have been locked away?...secretly for years now?....without any type of representation?? why? I'll tell you why...they know too much. and they surely arent a threat to any of us...but they are indeed a threat to them. The military is so much under the Bush control thumb now, CIA department and all the other secret agenda plans would be highly threatened if these people were realeased, or subjected to a open court system which would expose the real criminals and bring down a corrupt government. they are scrambling now in desperation, because they know the real concern is that the Senate and congress could become under Democratic control and the rules and unlawful laws could be reversed..NOT in their favor.....if any american need be concerned about the future of this Democracy at this point in our history....they should be eager and steadfast on changing the voting system in this country before any further elections can proceed....mainly...because they will manipulate it again.....they will do whatever it takes to protect their lies....even if that means stealing more elections for a favorable outcome.....despite the polls, despite all evidence of a loss. they can do it and they will. we are past any shock and disbelief when it comes to how bold they be and how low they will stoop. one more stolen election will ruin this democracy forever....there will be no justice and we will be out of time and out of hope.


Terrorists on Trial ~ can't you see the banners on Fox and CNN??? That's what it's about. Parading out the terrorists for court appearances... taking the emphasis away from Saddam Hussein ~ who seems to be holding his own in court. What a mess our country is in. sad.gif
judykratochvil
President Bush will not get his way because Lindsey will not let it pass. He stopped while reading the legislation when he found a provision in the law that would deny suspects access to evidence against them. He said, "That's the killer," after seeing this provision. However, Majority Leader bill Frist is so determined that this bill will get through that he threatened to route it around the committee if Graham, Warner, and McCain didn't "think their position over" and I assume come to the same conclusion they did about the administration bill. This is a power play and it makes my very sick. The Chicago Sun-Times reminds us of why we cannot allow the administration bill to pass.

Contact Graham, McCain, and Warner to voice your support for their position. Contact Frist and McConnell and let them know that you agree with the Ggraham, McCain, and Warner as well as voicing your opinion about doing an end run around the committee to get a dasterdly bill passed. This is disgustingly political.
andrew6565
oh jeezz oh lordy, lordy...just imagine that you or your family is arrested, charged with a crime or crimes.....serious ones at that......and when asked to see the evidence against you....you know, the stuff that the case is built on?.....and they deny you that. I cant even begin to understand who would think that could possibly be legal and humane. but wait...there is a few who think it is.......what in the______? ohmy.gif
judykratochvil
QUOTE(andrew6565 @ Sep 11 2006, 09:25 PM) [snapback]92522[/snapback]

oh jeezz oh lordy, lordy...just imagine that you or your family is arrested, charged with a crime or crimes.....serious ones at that......and when asked to see the evidence against you....you know, the stuff that the case is built on?.....and they deny you that. I cant even begin to understand who would think that could possibly be legal and humane. but wait...there is a few who think it is.......what in the______? ohmy.gif


I do think about Americans being arrested and charged with serious crimes. I am concerned about the possible application of this law if the government decides to charge someone with, say terrorism, they could be denied access to evidence against them. This is especially true in terms of drug crimes. We had a special feature on the Channel 5 news at 10PM last night about the connection between drugs and terrorism. This comes up at the same time as we have 8 Chicago Police officers that are up on charges breaking and entering.

We are being logical here. Most people would find denying access to evidence to be illegal and inhumane, but we also know that this administration knows no lows or humanity. The ones who believe these behaviors and practices are legal and inhumane are apologists for the administration and seek to make this issue political rather than solving it.
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