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Martin Frost Seeks DNC Chair

[quote]Frost to seek party chairmanship

SUZANNE GAMBOA

Associated Press

WASHINGTON - U.S. Rep. Martin Frost, who lost his November `re-election` race but has helped his party gain seats in the House, is making a bid for leadership of the Democratic Party.

Frost said Friday that he will attend next week's meeting of the Association of State Democratic Chairs in Orlando, Fla., along with others interested in being hired for the job.

"I was invited by the state chairs organization as someone who had expressed some interest in the chairmanship, and I've accepted their invitation," Frost, `D-Texas`, said.

The association has invited eight potential candidates for the Democratic National Committee chairmanship to its meeting of chairs and vice chairs of states and territories. The 112 members of the association will be among the 447 Democratic National Committee members who will vote for a new party leader in February.

The Democratic Party is trying to find a new leader who can help it recover from the Nov. 2 elections and make some gains in the 2006 elections at all levels of government. Its current chairman, Terry McAuliffe, is not returning.

Frost is the former chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. During his tenure from January 1995 to January 1999, the party gained 14 seats, he said.

Former Dallas mayor Ron Kirk also has been mentioned as a possible candidate for the job. Kirk said Friday he would not announce whether he plans to attend the state chair's meeting until next week.

Frost, of Arlington, lost his Nov. 2 race against incumbent Republican Rep. Pete Sessions of Dallas after the Legislature redrew congressional district to favor GOP candidates. Kirk lost a 2002 Senate bid to Republican John Cornyn.

Several Democrats have expressed interest in running for party chairman, including former presidential candidate Howard Dean, former Denver Mayor Wellington Webb, political strategist Donnie Fowler, former Clinton adviser Harold Ickes and New York businessman Leo Hindery.


Martin Frost is SO different from Terry McAuliffe. Maybe this is what we need. He is a competitive, hard working Democrat. He is not glamorous. He is a Texan. He is married to an Army general. He knows his stuff and he is a `no-nonsense` kind of guy.

He is very different than Gillespie and McAuliffe. smile.gif If Edwards is going to be leading the march to 2008, I can see him and Frost working together and NOT in opposition. And two very Southern men shall lead us... :idea:
sirius
So, I've never heard of Martin Frost. Tell us more. What's your impression of him? Most important question for me: Is he honest? Because we really need to clean up our political system. The Democratic party is not nearly as corrupt as the Republican party, IMO, but we still need to be vigilant about who we choose as leaders.
ncMindy
I haven't heard of Frost either, but I'm a little warry these days of any politician who has roots in Texas. No offense Susan, but tell us about this guy. smile.gif
Teresa22
Well....a politician from Texas might be just what we need as party chair...who would be more aware of how the Bush camp works? Someone who understands them enough to anticipate them might not be so bad.....
suswah
[quote]Introducing Martin Frost:

http://www.house.gov/frost/mfbio.htm

Martin Frost is unassuming. He has very loyal support in the North Texas area. And many fellow democrats are EXTREMELY upset that he was "targeted" for defeat by the redistricting debacle spearheaded by Tom DeLay and our friend, Karl Rove. He was forced to change districts and run in the 32nd District against the Republican incumbent, Pete Sessions. On November 2, he lost by 3 or 4 percentage points after the 3rd most expensive congressional race in U.S. history.

The fact that no one seems to know him makes it interesting that he was "targeted" for defeat, doesn't it? Why is he such a threat? Well, he is an exemplary public servant and he speaks with a strong and firm voice FOR the Middle Class. And as his biography states, Frost is (or rather, WAS) the Ranking Democratic Member of the influential House Rules Committee and also the senior Southern Democrat in the U.S. House.

The Democratic Party should take a serious look at this man. He has a lot to offer in the wake of all that has just happened to us.

Thank you for asking. And not all Texans are like Bush or even LIKE him. ohmy.gif
evanforjre
Would Martin Frost be supportive of JRE? If so, he'd be a good choice. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
ncMindy
[quote=suswah][quote]Introducing Martin Frost:

http://www.house.gov/frost/mfbio.htm

Martin Frost is unassuming. He has very loyal support in the North Texas area. And many fellow democrats are EXTREMELY upset that he was "targeted" for defeat by the redistricting debacle spearheaded by Tom DeLay and our friend, Karl Rove. He was forced to change districts and run in the 32nd District against the Republican incumbent, Pete Sessions. On November 2, he lost by 3 or 4 percentage points after the 3rd most expensive congressional race in U.S. history.

The fact that no one seems to know him makes it interesting that he was "targeted" for defeat, doesn't it? Why is he such a threat? Well, he is an exemplary public servant and he speaks with a strong and firm voice FOR the Middle Class. And as his biography states, Frost is (or rather, WAS) the Ranking Democratic Member of the influential House Rules Committee and also the senior Southern Democrat in the U.S. House.

The Democratic Party should take a serious look at this man. He has a lot to offer in the wake of all that has just happened to us.

Thank you for asking. And not all Texans are like Bush or even LIKE him. ohmy.gif


Just the type of man we need, they see him as threat. This is a good thing, thanks Susan. No, I didn't mean all Texans were the same -especially you. Actually, I have relatives there but they are big Repubs.
So this means Frost was on the Repub 'hit list' in Texas this time, Tom DeLay style. Which means Frost is a really good choice to think about.
suswah
[quote=ncMindy][quote=suswah][quote]Introducing Martin Frost:

http://www.house.gov/frost/mfbio.htm

Martin Frost is unassuming. He has very loyal support in the North Texas area. And many fellow democrats are EXTREMELY upset that he was \"targeted\" for defeat by the redistricting debacle spearheaded by Tom DeLay and our friend, Karl Rove. He was forced to change districts and run in the 32nd District against the Republican incumbent, Pete Sessions. On November 2, he lost by 3 or 4 percentage points after the 3rd most expensive congressional race in U.S. history.

The fact that no one seems to know him makes it interesting that he was \"targeted\" for defeat, doesn't it? Why is he such a threat? Well, he is an exemplary public servant and he speaks with a strong and firm voice FOR the Middle Class. And as his biography states, Frost is (or rather, WAS) the Ranking Democratic Member of the influential House Rules Committee and also the senior Southern Democrat in the U.S. House.

The Democratic Party should take a serious look at this man. He has a lot to offer in the wake of all that has just happened to us.

Thank you for asking. And not all Texans are like Bush or even LIKE him. ohmy.gif


Just the type of man we need, they see him as threat. This is a good thing, thanks Susan. No, I didn't mean all Texans were the same -especially you. Actually, I have relatives there but they are big Repubs.
So this means Frost was on the Repub 'hit list' in Texas this time, Tom DeLay style. Which means Frost is a really good choice to think about.[/quote]

Mindy, it is generally believed that he was the PRIMARY target for defeat in Texas simply because he has so much power in Washington. Interesting that he has such a strong organization here in the Dallas area that his hometown crowd often didn't realize how much influence he had in Washington. He took care of his PEOPLE. We will miss him because he spoiled us for 26 years.

And I think he is a brilliant politician. We need that more than we need a talking head. Martin Frost is ambitious. But I believe his ambition stems from a sincere desire to help people and keep the Middle Class healthy and prosperous. We need to keep that kind of democratic politician in mind. smile.gif
ncMindy
[quote]Mindy, it is generally believed that he was the PRIMARY target for defeat in Texas simply because he has so much power in Washington. Interesting that he has such a strong organization here in the Dallas area that his hometown crowd often didn't realize how much influence he had in Washington. He took care of his PEOPLE. We will miss him because he spoiled us for 26 years.

And I think he is a brilliant politician. We need that more than we need a talking head. Martin Frost is ambitious. But I believe his ambition stems from a sincere desire to help people and keep the Middle Class healthy and prosperous. We need to keep that kind of democratic politician in mind.
[/quote]
In retrospect, Terry McAwful was just a talking head. Then Frost knows how the wheels turn in DC and also in Texas. Sounds like a JRE type of guy, cares about the Middle Class. The others up there seem to have forgotten us. Most all have lost their center and are in a disconnect from the people. The 'Beltway Buzz' doesn't know what we think, Frost could be the answer. DeLay would not want someone as powerful as he in town.
Carynel
I would hope Frost would team up with Paul Begala, another Texan who understands how the Rep. machine works.

An article from September by Begala:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/...409.begala.html

" How do I know this? I'm from Texas. Again and again, I've seen Bush turn a blind eye as his henchmen have leveled zealous attacks against his political enemies--assaults which the president himself has sometimes directly encouraged. Perhaps most disturbing, the subjects of these attacks have often been longtime Bush allies who ended up on the president's enemies list for minor slights. "
65 Rambler Lady
I no longer have respect for Paul Begala since some of his comments post election. If he were true to his ideals, he would be spouting off in Crossfire about the election 'inconsistencies.' Instead, he plays lap dog to Tucker and Novak.

Paul Begala should just take up bass fishing or some other sport where he can get back in touch with what is important. Maybe him and Carville can go play tiddly winks on the white house front lawn together. Neither of them did us any favors in this last election, imho.

GIve me someone who can talk to the average American and get them to understand what the hell is going on and why this idiot needs to be impeached. This party has no soul any longer. It's too easy to sit and whine about what could have been.

As our man JRE says, "it's time to step up, not back."
VirginiaBeachDenise
I'm sure Frost is a lovely guy, but am a little concerned putting someone at the helm of the DNC who can't even win his own `re-election` in this `DeLay-Rove` political world :cry:

We need that ragin' cajun Carville (or someone like him) or a Trippi, who understands those of us who beat the drums on the internet.
Tank in Texas
[quote=ncMindy]I haven't heard of Frost either, but I'm a little warry these days of any politician who has roots in Texas. No offense Susan, but tell us about this guy. smile.gif[/quote]

Hey now! Back off of Texas :wink:

Martin Frost has been a good rep in Congress from all I have seen. His voting record is similar to my rep Chet Edwards which means he does tend over the the moderate side of things but that isn't all that bad. I'd personally prefer a "sexier" personality like James Carville or Max Cleland. If we are going to go Texan, Ann Richards would be great. Ron Kirk is EXCELLENT but I don't think he has enough national experience to handle the job yet. Plus, I am hoping he'll run for Governor...
suswah
[quote=VirginiaBeachDenise]I'm sure Frost is a lovely guy, but am a little concerned putting someone at the helm of the DNC who can't even win his own `re-election` in this `DeLay-Rove` political world :cry:

We need that ragin' cajun Carville (or someone like him) or a Trippi, who understands those of us who beat the drums on the internet.[/quote]

Well, the Internet world didn't win the election for Bush. That was a horse of a different color. And I am only talking about Frost because he is under consideration by the Party.

Carville and Trippi may be TOO sexy. They are celebrities. I don't think that's a good thing particularly. I too like exciting politicians, and I wouldn't call Martin Frost lovely or sexy. So, why would I be talking about him? Simply because he is in touch with middle America AND Washington. And you are right, he did lose this election - after being targeted for defeat by the Republican Party. And believe me, they fought VERY hard to beat him. Remember, this was a NEW district for him - he was forced out of the district he held for 26 years by Tom DeLay's posse.

His opponent, Pete Sessions, was the Republican incumbent in District 32. The districts were `re-drawn` so strangely that they removed most of the democrats out of Martin's 24th. Forced retirement. Personally, I have never received calls from Republicans - and these included Laura Bush, George Bush, Sr. and Rudy Giuliani the weekend before the election.

I wouldn't be so hard on Martin. He was robbed, Texas was robbed AND the nation was robbed of a wonderful democratic congressman. :cry:
Carynel
[quote=Tank in Texas] If we are going to go Texan, Ann Richards would be great. [/quote]

Ann Richards would be awesome! She was great on Larry King a few months ago.
suswah
[quote]Martin Frost may have the best set of credentials

07:26 PM CST on Wednesday, December 8, 2004

By CARL P. LEUBSDORF / The Dallas Morning News

At first blush, veteran Dallas Rep. Martin Frost would seem an unlikely prospect to be the next Democratic National Committee chair.

He decisively lost a `re-election` bid for the House seat he has held for 26 years, albeit because of a `Republican-sponsored` redistricting plan. Earlier, he dropped a `long-planned` bid for his party's House leadership when it became clear that rival Nancy Pelosi had the votes.

Still, the idea of a moderate Texan with substantial political experience makes a lot of sense.

And when one examines the field of hopefuls who will present themselves this weekend to the Association of State Democratic Chairs in Orlando, Mr. Frost may bring the broadest and most compelling set of credentials.

But the field may not yet be complete. As Mr. Frost noted this week, "it's early, and it's almost impossible to determine what the situation will be." The election takes place in `mid-February`.

Some potential candidates are better known, such as former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean. Others have a longer history of national party activity, such as former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Harold Ickes.

But Mr. Dean is widely seen as a divisive figure whose 2004 presidential bid helped to pull the party too far to the left. And many regard Mr. Ickes, a veteran of party rules fights, as a stalking horse for his longtime friend New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Other suggested candidates are too obscure or too inexperienced.

Beyond 26 years in Congress, Mr. Frost can boast substantial experience in two major areas. He has a reputation as an excellent fundraiser. And he is widely respected as a master of `nuts-and`-bolts politics.

In the 1970s, he helped run `Dallas-area` campaigns. As chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in the 1990s, he gained House seats. And his work on congressional redistricting in 1991 helped Democrats extend their control of the Texas House delegation for 10 more years despite the state's growing Republicanization.

Besides, the party could use a moderate face as it maps ways to overcome the GOP grip on Congress, the White House and a majority of state governorships.

Democratic success depends on the party's ability to attract more male votes and do better in the "red states" carried by President Bush. Some party officials think the new chair should come from either a "red state" or a competitive swing state.

Two others also being mentioned fit that formula: former Denver Mayor Wellington Webb, an `African-American` from a "red state" where Democrats made big gains this year, and former Gov. Jim Blanchard of Michigan, a battleground state Democrats have won in recent elections.

One question is how Mr. Frost would do as the party's television spokesman. But he is smart and direct and wouldn't hesitate to take on the White House. And he should be a good match for the next Republican national chair, 2004 `Bush-Cheney` Campaign Manager Ken Mehlman (who also has a Texas connection as former chief of staff to Rep. Kay Granger of Fort Worth).

As a House member, Mr. Frost has been more highly regarded for his hard work and knowledge than he was liked as a genial backslapper or storyteller. But the former may be what's called for now.

Initially, he seemed like a real long shot. But that was before such top prospects as Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack and former New Hampshire Gov. Jeanne Shaheen dropped out.

"And thanks to Tom DeLay, I'm now available to consider `full-time` employment," Mr. Frost said, referring to the House majority leader's role in the redistricting plan that cost him his House seat.

"I also think I have the right credentials for the job, but there's no guarantee," the veteran Dallas lawmaker conceded.

The Orlando meeting could be crucial because state chairs comprise the biggest single bloc on the `447-member` Democratic National Committee. There is some speculation they may try to coalesce around an `anti-Dean` candidate. If they do, that person would have an excellent chance.

Carl P. Leubsdorf is Washington Bureau chief of The Dallas Morning News.
sirius
Sorry, but the author of that article lost me right here:

QUOTE(suswah)
<snip>
But Mr. Dean is widely seen as a divisive figure whose 2004 presidential bid helped to pull the party too far to the left. <snip>


That comment tells me that author is probably a Republican and the last thing we need is to take advice on the direction of our party from Republicans. Dean didn't pull the party too far to the left, if anything, he helped pull it out of the tailspin it's been in of neglecting our base, our roots, and our values in futile emulation of the Republicans. What we need is to stand up and show that yes, we're different from the Republicans and WE'RE PROUD OF IT. Dean did just fine, and while I wouldn't want him to be our presidential candidate in 2008, I think he's a strong candidate for the DNC chair position, because he does know how to energize our base and organize the grassroots, which is what the DNC chair needs to do.
suswah
QUOTE(sirius)
Sorry, but the author of that article lost me right here:

QUOTE(suswah)
<snip>
But Mr. Dean is widely seen as a divisive figure whose 2004 presidential bid helped to pull the party too far to the left. <snip>


That comment tells me that author is probably a Republican and the last thing we need is to take advice on the direction of our party from Republicans. Dean didn't pull the party too far to the left, if anything, he helped pull it out of the tailspin it's been in of neglecting our base, our roots, and our values in futile emulation of the Republicans. What we need is to stand up and show that yes, we're different from the Republicans and WE'RE PROUD OF IT. Dean did just fine, and while I wouldn't want him to be our presidential candidate in 2008, I think he's a strong candidate for the DNC chair position, because he does know how to energize our base and organize the grassroots, which is what the DNC chair needs to do.


Well, of course he's a Republican. This is Dallas and The Dallas News. And while I agree that Dean certainly energized the base, I am not sure about him leading the party. Maybe we should have a Red State Chair and a Blue State Chair. Two democrats heading the party and representing the whole country. Maybe this is the compromise - unless someone emerges that everyone can agree on. I just don't think Dean is that someone. That Dean Scream is still being played on Talk Radio. Unfortunately, I don't know if he can overcome that. It's sad really. He's a great man and a great democrat.
sirius
[quote=suswah]
Well, of course he's a Republican. This is Dallas and The Dallas News. And while I agree that Dean certainly energized the base, I am not sure about him leading the party. Maybe we should have a Red State Chair and a Blue State Chair. Two democrats heading the party and representing the whole country. Maybe this is the compromise - unless someone emerges that everyone can agree on. I just don't think Dean is that someone. That Dean Scream is still being played on Talk Radio. Unfortunately, I don't know if he can overcome that. It's sad really. He's a great man and a great democrat.

We need to stop being afraid of what the Republicans will say if we do this or that. They are not the rulers of our conscience. Let them play the Dean scream. Who cares? People who listen to conservative Talk Radio are not our base. The DNC chair's primary job is to organize and strategize for our party. It's the candidates that really reach out to others outside the party. I wouldn't want Dean to be our presidential candidate, but he would be OK as DNC chair.

I don't really have a preferred candidate for DNC chair, but I do have a litmus test (as Arianna Huffington said). That person needs to be honest, work for the people, not the corporations, and they need to stop this silly idea that we need to move the party to the right. Moving the party to the right is what we've been doing all of this time we've been losing elections. We have now proven for a fact that it doesn't work.

The way to put the Democratic party back in control again is to stand up for what we believe in. We have to return to our principles and stand up for them proudly.
suswah
QUOTE(sirius)
We need to stop being afraid of what the Republicans will say if we do this or that. They are not the rulers of our conscience. Let them play the Dean scream.


The Republicans aren't doing this. It's the media, isn't it? The Republicans reap the benefits.
sirius
[quote=suswah][quote=sirius]We need to stop being afraid of what the Republicans will say if we do this or that. They are not the rulers of our conscience. Let them play the Dean scream. [/quote]

The Republicans aren't doing this. It's the media, isn't it? The Republicans reap the benefits.

The Republicans own the media. At this point, the Republicans and the media are almost the same thing, realistically. However, the media does still need to cover our candidates and if they stand up for their principles and speak the truth, people will respect that no matter how the media tries to spin it.

Republican ownership of the media is definitely a problem we need to solve, though. You'd think we could manage to do that, since we have Hollywood on our side. I know the individual stars that support us don't own the media companies, but they have a lot of influence there and also they have a lot of money. Maybe some of them could get together and do something.
suswah
[quote=sirius][quote=suswah][quote=sirius]We need to stop being afraid of what the Republicans will say if we do this or that. They are not the rulers of our conscience. Let them play the Dean scream. [/quote]

The Republicans aren't doing this. It's the media, isn't it? The Republicans reap the benefits.

The Republicans own the media. At this point, the Republicans and the media are almost the same thing, realistically. However, the media does still need to cover our candidates and if they stand up for their principles and speak the truth, people will respect that no matter how the media tries to spin it.

Republican ownership of the media is definitely a problem we need to solve, though. You'd think we could manage to do that, since we have Hollywood on our side. I know the individual stars that support us don't own the media companies, but they have a lot of influence there and also they have a lot of money. Maybe some of them could get together and do something.[/quote]

Don't you think it's the other way around?? People like Rupert Murdoch - media moguls own the politicians. And the Republican Party has decided to do whatever these media giants want them to do - especially changing the laws so that they can make as much money and own as many stations as they wish.

Television, Movie and Stage Performers in Hollywood are `card-carrying` members of unions - Actors' Equity, Screen Actors Guild, and even Las Vegas performers MUST belong to the union to work there. So, performers UNDERSTAND that without unions working to protect them, the entertainment industry could have all the slave labor it needed to make all the money it wanted.

There are women and men with unethical behavior in both parties. I just happen to think that the Republican Party - the supposed moral party - has aligned itself with media conglomerates who often don't have any agenda, but making more money. And they pour money into the party that allows them to do this. I'm sure that the unions representating professional performers are in jeopardy with the rise of these conglomerates as well.

So, who represents the American people in all of this? We don't have a union as a buffer. But we do have the FCC. Or did we?

Shouldn't we be more concerned about the Separation of Media and State? The Separation of Church and State seems like a mild problem by comparison - and unfortunately, the one that the Republican Party would prefer that we worry more about - all for the protection of their power. But really, being in bed with the devil never works out. ohmy.gif

I think this should be the Democratic Party's mission for the next 4 years: Helping the American public understand how important it is for there to be a strengthening of the FCC guidelines for preventing media monopolies AND breaking up the ones that have been formed as a result of lax regulation. And nepotism. Gosh. The Secretary of State's son is the head of the FCC? Even though we generally trust Colin Powell, he IS a Bush/Republican appointee.

Educating the American people should be the mission. :!:
Teresa22
In large part, I do feel that the media did cost Kerry the election...I thought I would scream everytime I heard that he had "not articulated a vision"....I watched speech after speech after speech...and it was damn clear to me what it was he wanted to do...but, if one just watched the 30 second blips the media selected or listened to the pundits trash him I suppose that could be the conclusion one might come to.

All of our problems right now are so intertwined....we do need to deal with media conglomerates and the hijacking of the FCC...but we have to be realistic in that we won't see any change there in the next four years....so, its imperative that we find ways to work around it for now....I don't care, either, who might be selected as DNC Chair...so long as he/she understands the long process of true grassroot effort to put Democratic voices back in the south and in the rural counties everywhere. Many of these people have heard only a very distorted version of what our message is! We have to take it to them and listen to them about how they want the party to respond. ...just for example, we might be talking "union rights" because in the larger urban areas unions are a voice for working class issues...but, this has no resonnance in a community that has no experience with unions...we need people in these areas to tell us how to "frame", if you will, our issues pertaining to the working class in a way that means something to this part of the population! And they need local faces to explain it to them....maybe thats why they feel "alienated".

Anyway...went on way to long with that one...but I think there are several seeking the chairmanship who do get this idea...I think Dean might be one, I also think Frost might as well...and yeah...no matter what we do or who we do it with the Republicans are going to pick it apart...and so will the media. While we do have to maintain some common sense and not make it just too easy for them to do it, we can't let it rule us either....and our party needs to quit apologizing to the media pundits who are trying to fill air time by creating problems that really don't exist.
ncMindy
[quote]no matter what we do or who we do it with the Republicans are going to pick it apart...and so will the media. While we do have to maintain some common sense and not make it just too easy for them to do it, we can't let it rule us either....and our party needs to quit apologizing to the media pundits who are trying to fill air time by creating problems that really don't exist.[/quote]

Kissing up to the media when we know they are manipulating our side, we need to stop. The FCC has been changing and the right is in control, they also have a majority and not going to give it up. I'm not sure how many will fight over even more media control, on either side. IMO, we need to stop too, it's a losing battle. Does anyone remember it was the media who set Dean up? They had two mics on him and after roasting him over the fire, they admitted it. Whatever happens, we need independent media all the way around. We also need to be aware and not allow them to control us. Who cares if we tick them off, I see them being ticked off and on the attack as a compliment.

Maybe we should chose the person they attack the most. smile.gif
suswah
[quote=ncMindy][quote]no matter what we do or who we do it with the Republicans are going to pick it apart...and so will the media. While we do have to maintain some common sense and not make it just too easy for them to do it, we can't let it rule us either....and our party needs to quit apologizing to the media pundits who are trying to fill air time by creating problems that really don't exist.[/quote]

Kissing up to the media when we know they are manipulating our side, we need to stop. The FCC has been changing and the right is in control, they also have a majority and not going to give it up. I'm not sure how many will fight over even more media control, on either side. IMO, we need to stop too, it's a losing battle. Does anyone remember it was the media who set Dean up? They had two mics on him and after roasting him over the fire, they admitted it. Whatever happens, we need independent media all the way around. We also need to be aware and not allow them to control us. Who cares if we tick them off, I see them being ticked off and on the attack as a compliment.

Maybe we should chose the person they attack the most. smile.gif[/quote]

Maybe the first person we put out there should be a decoy. Media bait. smile.gif
Teresa22
Hillary Clinton isalready being used this way...I don't know that the Democrts themselves threw her out there as a bait and switch, but Faux News in particular is using her as the face of the demonic left wing right now....
sirius
[quote=Teresa22]Hillary Clinton isalready being used this way...I don't know that the Democrts themselves threw her out there as a bait and switch, but Faux News in particular is using her as the face of the demonic left wing right now....[/quote]

A strong woman? Their worst nightmare. I don't think that means she should run for president, just because they're afraid of her, because unfortunately there are a lot of people who aren't necessarily part of the RNC that are also still afraid of a strong woman. But they ARE afraid of her.
suswah
[quote=sirius][quote=Teresa22]Hillary Clinton isalready being used this way...I don't know that the Democrts themselves threw her out there as a bait and switch, but Faux News in particular is using her as the face of the demonic left wing right now....[/quote]

A strong woman? Their worst nightmare. I don't think that means she should run for president, just because they're afraid of her, because unfortunately there are a lot of people who aren't necessarily part of the RNC that are also still afraid of a strong woman. But they ARE afraid of her.[/quote]

Newt actually spoke kindly of Hillary on Sean's show this week - I listened for 15 minutes - that's about my limit.

Sean tried to get Newt to change his opinion of her. And as I recall, Newt seemed a little perturbed at him for this. There seemed to be a moment of good manners from the Newt towards Hillary and a wrist slapping for Sean. ohmy.gif
Teresa22
I don't think she should either...but if the media wants to concentrate on her to vent their spleen right now maybe that isn't so bad. They have thrown her to the wolves...we haven't.
sirius
[quote=Teresa22]I don't think she should either...but if the media wants to concentrate on her to vent their spleen right now maybe that isn't so bad. They have thrown her to the wolves...we haven't.[/quote]

Yeah. Let them worry about her. All the while, we'll be cultivating other candidates.
Teresa22
Interesting about Sean and Newt...you know, it rather represents a pattern I'm noticing...the right wing is letting their syncophant press do alot of their savaging these days...this is how they maintain the appearance of keeping their own hands clean...we seriously need to learn from this...

Look at what Fox is doing right now...they are promoting this theme that the "elites" are trying to replace and/or away with Christmas....and then they drag some poor liberal on and browbeat them into arguing over it...and as a consequence the Foxxies now believe Democrats are responsible for the banning of Christmas...I heard a caller on `C-Span` this morning say just that....you know, "You democrats are trying to keep us from having Christmas and we won't let you!"

Now...we all know this has nothing to do with Democrats or the Democratic party...just as we know that most democrats are begging Hillary not to run...but they are planting that idea in the minds of their viewers...and sure enough, next campaign, we are going to have to spend countless amounts of time defending the phrase "Happy Holidays".

We gotta get out of this trap...and I guess thats what I'm looking for in a DNC Chair...someone who knows this, understands it, and has a plan to deal with it effectively.
suswah
You know, if we just stop trying to dissect it every day...or understand it. It is just one big propaganda machine that is getting stronger by the day...

Funny thing about propaganda...it doesn't really hurt. But it IS doing a LOT of damage.

I wonder how these media people really see themselves. If I hear Sean Hannity say one more time what a great American someone is...and then in the next breath he's trashing a democrat.

It has turned into a sport, really. And they apparently don't see it, but it is really ruining our country. They think it is all so much fun and games. Do they not see the part they are playing in degrading the democratic process?


[quote]...the right wing is letting their syncophant press do alot of their savaging these days...this is how they maintain the appearance of keeping their own hands clean...we seriously need to learn from this... [/quote]

So what can we DO about it? :?
Teresa22
I think we need to get out there and reach those "red areas" and do a little propogandizing (propogandating?) ourselves....we gotta have people in these communities who can carry the message...we also need candidates like JRE who maybe they can identify with just a little. We need our own "Seans" and "O'Reilly's" in the media as well...and we have to call some of this lunacy for what it is and not get bogged down by it....I mean, I know we have principles that are worth standing up for...but for crying out loud, when a Sean or a Rush comments about the Christmas deal we are stupid if we use it as an opportunity to launch into a lecture about separation of church and state....it just makes it too easy for them. We could answer, instead, that we respect traditions like Christmas, Hannakah, Kwanza, etc., but maybe add on that we deplore the crass marketing and/or commercialization of them....there are plenty of other opportunities to engage in church/state issues. When they bring up abortion...we bring up the neccesity of birth control access...sex ed, we say, yeah...ofcourse we support abstinence as the best method foryoung teenagers but only with comprehensive sex ed including accurate information about contraceptives...

I guess what I'm saying is we find ways to cut down the loud mouths by `re-framing` in our favor, if you will...and we need to develop a whole class of surrogates who are competent in doing this.

I also think maybe democrats in cities and urban areas should adopt nearby rural areas and help them out....I'm really thinking of a way to do this myself. My county democratic party doesn't need me....but you knowl some of the surrounding areas could use all the help they could get...
suswah
[quote=Teresa22]I guess what I'm saying is we find ways to cut down the loud mouths by `re-framing` in our favor, if you will...and we need to develop a whole class of surrogates who are competent in doing this.[/quote]

The Media Busters. I would love to see this happen!! biggrin.gif
Teresa22
Media Busters....love it!

Sen. Reid is setting up a new "Democratic War Room"...wonder if this is what he has in mind?
suswah
[quote=Teresa22]Media Busters....love it!

Sen. Reid is setting up a new "Democratic War Room"...wonder if this is what he has in mind?[/quote]

Any updates on the new "Democratic War Room"?
Teresa22
Here's an article speaking to Reid's "war room" strategy:

http://www.hillnews.com/news/120104/reid.aspx

Reid makes it clear he’s no Daschle
By Geoff Earle

In one of his first moves as top Democrat in the Senate, incoming Minority Leader Harry Reid (`D-Nev`.) is consolidating staff operations under his control while establishing a press operation that is planning more aggressive attacks on Republicans.

The new Democratic leader is reestablishing authority over a variety of Democratic leadership organizations — the Democratic Policy Committee (DPC), the Democratic Steering Committee, and the Democratic Communications Committee — all of which are headed by other Democratic senators. Some staff from these groups could end up being folded into a new Democratic “war room” being assembled to counter the GOP’s political message.

At the same time, Reid — who has been known in the Senate mostly as an inside player — still is planning to allow other Senate Democrats to help deliver the party’s message on television and in other forums. Aides mention incoming Minority Whip Richard Durbin (`D-Ill`.), and Sens. Charles Schumer (`D-N`.Y.), and Hillary Clinton (`D-N`.Y.) as those likely to carry some of the load.

Reid soon will begin elevating his own public role by delivering weekly press conferences with television coverage at the start of the new Congress.

But Reid is not currently planning to resume press “dugouts” for print reporters — a historic practice of Senate leaders going back generations — which outgoing Minority Leader Tom Daschle (`D-S`.D.) essentially discontinued during his tough reelection campaign. One leadership aide, referring to the dugouts, said, “It was a Daschle deal.”

Reid’s efforts began with the announced hiring of Jim Manley, press secretary for Sen. Edward Kennedy (`D-Mass`.), to serve as staff director for a press war room operation geared toward the entire Democratic Caucus. Phil Singer, a former press secretary to Schumer will serve as communications director. Both are known to being among the most effective and aggressive press secretaries on Capitol Hill.

Tessa Hafen, Reid’s press secretary, will handle Nevada and regional media queries, reflecting Reid’s desire to reach out to a variety of different media outlets.

Reid “understands we’ve had a problem communicating our position to the American people, and he’s tired of having us defined by the other side,” said David DiMartino, press secretary to Sen. Ben Nelson (`D-Neb`.).

Reid plans to have as many as 15 staffers to join the communications center. As many as five of them might be new hires, a reflection of the emphasis Reid is placing on developing a unified message.

“The caucus sees the need to be more disciplined,” said one Senate Democratic aide. “Hopefully they will be.”

Leadership aides did not say precisely from where the funding to pay staff salaries would come. But indications were that Reid would reorganize some existing staff slots. Other leadership aides, such as DPC staff, come under the overall leadership budget.

A Senate leadership aide said that several leadership committees were “reconfiguring,” adding, “Through that we’ll be able to put more resources into communications.”

Implicit in some of the calls for a more “aggressive” press operation is a criticism of Daschle’s organization.

“I don’t think there’s a perception that there was necessarily anything wrong with the way Daschle was doing it,” said one Senate Democratic aide. “There was a perception that we are up against a very, very aggressive message operation that in fact puts message above all else and in fact is willing to say things that aren’t true in support of their political goals. That requires a ramping up of our effort to get accurate info out there.”

Some Democratic aides say Daschle’s organization became too focused on `home-state` concerns as Daschle’s own Senate seat became increasingly in peril.

“The way Daschle press shop was set up, it was too slow,” said one Democratic press secretary. “It was too narrow. They just didn’t do enough for other members. The message always just seemed to be Daschle’s message — as opposed to the message of the party.”

One Senate Democratic aide said Daschle’s press shop became more disciplined and active with the arrivals of communications director Todd Webster and policy adviser Phil Schiliro. But, “The perception is it probably all happened a little late,” said the aide.

An aide close to Daschle declined to provide a comment on suggestions that Daschle’s press aides could have communicated the Democratic message more effectively.

Over the last year, Daschle’s staff focused on building and coordinating a Democratic message between the House and Senate, and between various Senate Democratic offices, many of which failed to agree on policy and tactics. One Democratic Senate aide pointed to passage of the controversial prescription drug law — an issue the aide said the GOP had “stolen.”

“If the caucus had stuck together in opposition to the Republican plan, it wouldn’t — shouldn’t — have happened,” said the aide.

Senate Democrats have several leadership posts, each of which carries staff with it.

Clinton was appointed by Daschle and then Reid to head the Steering Committee.

Reid reappointed Sen. Byron Dorgan (`D-N`.D.), who was close to Daschle, to head the DPC. Sen. Debbie Stabenow (`D-Mich`.) was elected caucus secretary.

Reid plans to put his communications staff in the Capitol office space where Daschle’s press shop worked, as well as in a separate 3rd floor Capitol office. That space once was used by the late Sen. Paul Wellstone (`D-Minn`.), then by Sen. Chris Dodd (`D-Conn`.), and most recently by other Daschle staff members.

For now, Reid plans to discontinue the practice of giving dugouts, when previous leaders have taken questions from the press on a number of policy and political issues without TV cameras present.

Daschle has expressed regret for getting away from the practice during the last year as his campaign heated up. At one point during his Senate race, Daschle had TV ads run against him based on a clip from a dugout session where he had claimed to be a D.C. resident. The ads attempted to paint Daschle as a Washington insider.

But Senate historian Richard Baker said the Senate dugouts were not a Daschle phenomenon. “It certainly goes back to the `mid-20th` century and earlier,” he said.
suswah
Dallas Morning News Article

[quote]Kirk endorses Frost to lead Dems

Dallas `ex-mayor` says Frost can win 'reddest of red states'

11:49 AM CST on Wednesday, January 5, 2005

By GROMER JEFFERS JR. / The Dallas Morning News

Former Dallas Mayor Ron Kirk on Tuesday abandoned his quest to become chairman of the Democratic National Committee and instead endorsed former Rep. Martin Frost for the job.

In a letter to DNC members, Mr. Kirk called Mr. Frost "the complete package" and a "winning strategist."

"Martin combines an unshakeable commitment to core Democratic principles with the proven ability to win the reddest of red states," Mr. Kirk wrote. "He understands that a '`50-state`' strategy cannot be an 'either/or' strategy."

Mr. Frost, who in November lost a hotly contested House race to Rep. Pete Sessions, `R-Dallas`, is perceived by many to be one of the most effective Democratic organizers in Texas.

Those skills, Mr. Kirk says, would be essential to the party's effort to rebound from losses in the 2004 elections, including President Bush's victory over Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry.

"He knows – because he's done it himself – that the only way Democrats can defeat Republicans in tough territory is by energizing our base and winning over new voters," Mr. Kirk wrote.

Mr. Kirk, who lost a 2002 Senate race to Republican John Cornyn, played down his interest in the DNC chairman's job when he was first mentioned as a contender.

Perceived as a `long-shot` candidate by most political analysts, Mr. Kirk nevertheless made a passionate pitch for the job last month at a meeting of state Democratic chairmen in Orlando, Fla.

The DNC is expected to select a new chairman next month. Other candidates include former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, South Carolina political strategist Donald Fowler, New Democratic Network president Simon Rosenberg, former Michigan Gov. James Blanchard and former Denver Mayor Wellington Webb.

Another candidate, Democratic activist Harold Ickes, also said Tuesday that he won't seek the post.



Paul Begala on Crossfire mentioned this news today. And I know many feel Frost is not exciting. But it's interesting that Begala would talk about it. Frost IS a smart and `well-respected` democrat - he has a kind of quiet resolve underneath the unexciting facade...and I love it that he has been a thorn in the side of Republicans since 1978. You see, they wouldn't have wanted him out if they could have played ball with him and talked him into "switching" parties. But he didn't because he's one of us. ohmy.gif
65 Rambler Lady
Well Suswah, you have me convinced. He sounds like the real thing and I too like the idea of someone being a thorn in someone's side (I bet you all could have NEVER figured that out about me) because not only is that something the repubs don't like, but we need to shake up a few of these so called Senators who may or may not stand tomorrow in defense of our democracy. Now, if Feingold were in the running......... laugh.gif (sorry, had to throw that in.)

Who knows, maybe he can convince Judy's Graham to come into the light - - oh wait a minute, that sounds too much like a rapture message I read the other day! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

All kidding aside, party lines aside, these guys need to remember just how the hell they got to DC and it sure wasn't on the coattails of some lobby. (unless they knew Diebold or Triad. :oops: )

I will be paying more attention to this guy for sure now and still would like to see Ann Richards become more active again. She is a fabulous lady.
suswah
[quote=65 Rambler Lady]Well Suswah, you have me convinced. He sounds like the real thing and I too like the idea of someone being a thorn in someone's side (I bet you all could have NEVER figured that out about me) because not only is that something the repubs don't like, but we need to shake up a few of these so called Senators who may or may not stand tomorrow in defense of our democracy. Now, if Feingold were in the running......... laugh.gif (sorry, had to throw that in.)

Who knows, maybe he can convince Judy's Graham to come into the light - - oh wait a minute, that sounds too much like a rapture message I read the other day! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

All kidding aside, party lines aside, these guys need to remember just how the hell they got to DC and it sure wasn't on the coattails of some lobby. (unless they knew Diebold or Triad. :oops: )

I will be paying more attention to this guy for sure now and still would like to see Ann Richards become more active again. She is a fabulous lady.[/quote]

RL, it's a critical decision. I just hope that we make the best choice for the future of our country. After listening to Bush today discussing what he thinks is a PRIORITY for our country - Tort Reform and Malpractice Insurance Costs - sorry, don't get me started. Well, sometimes certain people have been almost invisible for many years. And then they suddenly ARRIVE and everyone says, "Where have YOU been"?

I really don't know if Martin Frost is that person. But I am proud that he is NOT crying about losing his congressional seat after 26 years. I know he has every reason to say, "I'm oughta here." But anyone here knows politics gets in the blood.

And I want the Democratic Chair to have not only politics in the blood, but the ability to organize democrats in ways that no one has EVER imagined before. Not even Karl Rove. Bless his heart.

That's what I want. smile.gif
65 Rambler Lady
Reading this thread, there is a topic about Henry Reid and his 'new' approach with his war room. I just thought I would let you all know that I just tried calling him and his line is busy.

If he is going to be the new leader, maybe he should stand as well for the Ohio vote.

Just thinking out loud.
suswah
New Web site for Martin Frost is under construction.

Martin Frost

The McLaughlin Report is carried here in the Dallas area on Sunday morning. The McLaughlin Group's Web site

They do predictions at the end of every week's program. On today's program, guest panelist, Peter Beinart, Editor of The New Republic, predicted that Martin Frost will be selected as the Democratic Party Chair.

The New Republic

And an article dated December 28, 2004 written by Martin Frost that appears on TNR's Web site.

[quote]Safety First


Safety First
by Martin Frost

Post date 12.28.04 | Issue date 12.27.04

<snip>Peter Beinart provides an important history lesson highlighting the Democratic Party's strength on national security in years past and its leading role in fighting communism. The party has traditionally been the one that fights for strong national defense and a commitment to national service. But, while Beinart correctly diagnoses a public perception problem for Democrats on the issue of national security, he unfortunately underestimates the Democratic Party's current commitment to winning the war on terrorism<snip>....[/quote]


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